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Poster: utopian Date: Apr 9, 2011 8:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- a monumental barnburner.... And one he'll of a 1/2 step

77 is a year that didn't have an off night, to my ears.

I would agree that while 78 had some brilliant moments like 4-8-78, they
also had some dreadfully awful embarrassing moments like 4-6-78, which could be on the all time worst list. Or some of the shows they were howling and hooting onstage in sone sort of drug addled orgy.

The band was doing some really hard partying in this period, and Keith well....he was asked to leave for good reason.... Lots of fighting, and generally being in a stupor.

12-31-78 was indeed overrated, and I will even go a step further and tell you why. It was slow. Another dreadfully overratted show from 78
is 12-16-78....

But while having said that and conceded that particular point, an interesting observation is the use of that word in this community. A sort of blanket statement which many have hovering in their vocabulary that lends itself to be an all encompassing, glaze-over, blanket statement.


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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Apr 9, 2011 11:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- a monumental barnburner.... And one he'll of a 1/2 step

i agree with that...i think people throw it out sometimes w/o thinking about it really, or giving things a chance. i generally try not to do that, though i've certainly been guilty of it.

and i did listen to this show btw - though i admittedly skipped the first set stuff and went right for the meat. it's pretty solid stuff, but not quite as exciting to my ears as 4/12, 4/16 or 4/24...

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Poster: utopian Date: Apr 9, 2011 12:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- a monumental barnburner.... And one he'll of a 1/2 step

you said
........."i think people throw it out sometimes w/o thinking about it really, or giving things a chance. i generally try not to do that, though i've certainly been guilty of it.

and i did listen to this show btw - though i admittedly skipped the first set stuff and went right for the meat"

.......

Guilty again? perhaps but......What part of you thinks the second set is the meat? if you havn't listened to the first set?

.......


thankyou for being an honest good sport and proving my point. Few people on this forum are unbiased in the eras they trod. I hear alot of blanket statements with no attempt at healthy debate, examples, or demonstratable expertise. And I would ask people to dig a little deeper, make up their own mind and listen to things enough to make an informed, cogent, amicable case for healthy debate. Preconceived notions let us pre-judge the real essence of art and cloud our future outlook to pre definition, complacancey and general bore.

thank you kind sir
peace

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Apr 9, 2011 5:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- a monumental barnburner.... And one he'll of a 1/2 step

and you're totally right about preconceived notions. they have gotten in the way of my enjoyment of music which i had deemed "unworthy" in the past. i have tried very hard to break out of this pattern and make informed decisions for my self and not the sake of others. but we all slip back into old habits now and again ;)

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Apr 9, 2011 4:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- a monumental barnburner.... And one he'll of a 1/2 step

you have a point there. but i consider "the meat" of almost any show the second set jam suites, especially in the later years when there were far fewer 1st set extended jams or surprises. so i guess i tend to rate a show based on the strength of these jam suites. i think, for example, the 4/24 scarlet>fire is much stronger than this one.

and again i see your point, i am potentially skipping over some worthy music, and not rating the show as a entire event which has an ebb and flow, highs and lows, etc., that can have an effect on the enjoyment of the music. which is a bit close minded of me i suppose.

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Poster: utopian Date: Apr 10, 2011 9:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- a monumental barnburner.... And one he'll of a 1/2 step

I would totally agree that the meat in 72, 73, 74 shows tended to be in a pocket if the second set. The first sets I have heard some describe as warmups in those days. With the rapid explosion of new songs during that period There is sense of 'sitting through' more of the first set of sometimes standard readings.


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